Terrorism and Conspiracies
Defining Terrorism
SHALOM: What do you think is a reasonable way to define terrorism?
CHOMSKY: Iâve been writing about terrorism since 1981. Thatâs the year the Reagan administration came into office, and they declared very quickly that a focus of the administration was going to be a war on terrorismâin particular, state-directed international terrorism. President Ronald Reagan, Secretary of State George P. Shultz, and other officials of the administration spouted elaborate rhetoric about âthe plague of the modern age,â a return to âbarbarism in our times,â the âscourge of terrorism,â and so on.
Anyone with even a minimal acquaintance with history knew what was going to happen. It was going to turn into a terrorist war. You donât declare a war on terrorism unless youâre planning yourself to undertake massive international terrorism, which is indeed what happened. And I expected that, as did my friend Ed Herman,1 and together and separately we began writing about terrorism. Since this was in the context of the Reagan administrationâs declaration of the war on terror, the natural thing to do seemed to be to take the official definitions of the U.S. government. So I took the definition thatâs in the U.S. Code, the official system of laws, which is pretty reasonable; and shorter versions are in army manuals and so on. Thatâs the definition Iâve been using ever since. It is pretty much a commonsense definition. It says that terrorism is âthe calculated use of violence or threat of violence to attain goals that are political, religious, or ideological in nature ⌠through intimidation, coercion, or instilling fear.â2 Itâs also essentially the same as the official British definition, at present. However, the U.S. definition was rescinded in practice, presumably because of its obvious implications. If you take it literally, it turns out, almost trivially, that the United States is a leading terrorist state, and that the Reagan administration in fact was engaging in extensive international terrorism. So it had to change the definition, obviously, because it couldnât allow that consequence. And since that time there have been other problems.
For example, under Reagan administration pressure, the United Nations passed resolutions on terrorism; the first major one was in December 1987, a resolution condemning the crime of terrorism in the strongest terms, calling on all states to work together to eradicate the plague and so onâa long, detailed resolution. It passed, but not unanimously. It passed 153 to 2 with 1 abstention. Honduras abstained. The two who voted against it were the usual two, the United States and Israel.3 In the General Assembly proceedings, the U.S. and Israeli ambassadors explained their votes, pointing out that there was an offending passage in the resolution that said_ âNothing in the present resolution could in any way prejudice the right to self-determination, freedom and independence, as derived from the Charter of the United Nations, of peoples forcibly deprived of that right ⌠particularly peoples under colonial and racist regimes and foreign occupation or other forms of colonial domination, nor, in accordance with the principles of the Charter and in conformity with the above-mentioned Declaration, the right of these peoples to struggle to this end and to seek and receive support.â4 The United States and Israel couldnât accept that, obviously. The phrase âcolonial and racist regimesâ meant South Africa, which was still an ally under the apartheid regime. Technically, the United States had joined the embargo against South Africaâbut in fact it had not. Trade with South Africa increased, and methods were found for getting around the embargo so Washington could continue to support the Pretoria regimeâand the same with Israel, which was in fact one of the conduits for getting around the South Africa embargo. And âforeign occupationâ was obviously referring to the West Bank, Gaza, and the Golan Heights, so neither the United States nor Israel could permit resistance against that occupationâeven legitimate resistance, which of course does not include terrorist attacks against civilians. So, although itâs not technically a veto in the General Assembly, the United States and Israel effectively vetoed the resolution.5
And when the United States vetoes something, itâs a double veto: For one thing, itâs blocked; and for another thing, itâs erased from history. And so this U.S. action wasnât reported, right in the midst of the furor about terrorism, and itâs out of history. You can barely find it in scholarly studies, since it leads to the wrong conclusions. And the same is true of the official definitionsâthey are down the memory hole. I continue to use them, and they continue to be the official definitions. But since then, since the mid-1980s, a scholarly industry has developed, with conferences, and ponderous tomes and meetings of the United Nations and so on, to see if someone can solve this âvery difficult problemâ of defining terrorism. There are dozens of different definitions and analyses in the legal journals, and nobody can quite do it. Itâs perfectly obvious why, but no one will say so. You have to find a definition that excludes the terror we carry out against them, and includes the terror that they carry out against us. And thatâs rather difficult. People have tried to restrict it to subnational groups. But that doesnât work because they want to talk about terrorist states. In fact, itâs extremely hard, probably impossible, to formulate a definition that would have the right consequences, unless you define it just in terms of those consequences.
The operative definition of terror ought to be, from the point of view of U.S. policymakers: Terror is terror in the standard sense if you do it to us; but if we do it to you, itâs benign, itâs humanitarian intervention, itâs with benign intent. Thatâs the definition thatâs actually used. If the educated sectors were honest, thatâs what theyâd say. Then the whole problem of defining would be over. But short of that, we have only two choices: either to use the official definitions, which I do; or to say, well, itâs an impossible problem, very deep, and so on. And so it will remain unless weâre able to recognize the operative significance.
ACHCAR: One might point also to attempts at expanding the concept: for instance, the European Unionâs definition of terrorism in June 2002,6 which included âcausing extensive destruction to a Government or public facility ⌠a public place or private property likely to ⌠result in major economic loss,â or even âthreatening to commitâ any such destruction. This could encompass acts of the kind that global justice or environmentalist or peasant protestors have committed against, say, a McDonaldâs restaurant or an experimental agricultural field with genetically modified organisms or the like, and these would fall therefore under the category of terrorism. This is a serious and dangerous expansion of the definition.
CHOMSKY: Itâs part of the expansion, and in a way it makes sense. What you should do is simply define terrorism as acts we donât like. And acts we do like, they are not terrorism.
Itâs the same dishonesty we see in discussions of aggression or intervention. Arenât there perfectly straightforward definitions of aggression? Robert Jackson, the chief counsel for the prosecution at the post-1945 International Military Tribunal for Nazi war criminals at Nuremberg, gave a careful, clear definition of aggression.7 And that was reaffirmed in 1974 by a General Assembly resolution that passed in a voice vote with no objections, so there is an authoritative General Assembly resolution that says approximately the same thing.8 But itâs useless, because according to that definition probably every American president could be charged as a war criminal. Not only are things like the war in Vietnam or Iraq, of course, aggression; but even the Contra war waged by the Reagan administration against Nicaragua counts not as international terrorism but as aggression under the Jackson and General Assembly definitions. Part of one of the subcases of the definition of aggression is about supporting armed groups on the territory of a state to carry out violent acts in the state under attack without the agreement of that state.9 Thatâs the Contra war by definition. So thatâs aggression. Thus, all of the members of the Reagan administration and of course the Democrats who pretty much supported them are guilty of war crimes. But you canât have that. So, therefore, the definition of aggression is also held to be very complex and obscure.
ACHCAR: Weâve been talking about the official definitions of terrorism, but what then would we agree among ourselves to be the definition of terrorism? In the public mind, I would say that terrorism is seen as basically that which targets civilian populations or democratic governments. Thatâs the most common view of terrorism, the targeting of civilians for goals that are linked to attempts to get governments or other collectivities to act in a certain way. Actions against an occupying army are not labeled terrorism by most people. The irony is that even in the final statement of the conference of the Iraqi political forces held in Cairo, Egypt, in November 2005, a distinction was made between the right to resist foreign occupation, deemed legitimateâwhich, although it was not stated explicitly, meant that actions against U.S. occupying troops in Iraq are an exercise of the right of resistanceâand reprehensible terrorism, which was restricted to attacks on fellow Iraqis. And thatâs quite ironic, because this was a conference involving representatives of the supposedly U.S.-allied Iraqi government, including the president and the prime minister.
I would think that the definition of terrorism that is least problematic is that which points to acts against unarmed innocent civilians. Taking innocent civilians as targets or hostages is definitely terrorism, even in the fight against a foreign occupation.
CHOMSKY: Then you do get into a definitional problem, because shooting somebody on the street isnât necessarily an act of terrorism. So it has to be the threat or use of force, primarily against civilian targets, for ideological, religious, political, or other purposes, perhaps aimed at influencing a government. (ACHCAR: Or a collectivity.) Or a collectivity.
ACHCAR: Not acts targeting individuals as such, but trying to impose something on a collectivity or a government. (CHOMSKY: E xactly. Thatâs correct.) That would be, I think, a rounded definition of terrorism, though not exhaustive.
CHOMSKY: And thatâs very close to the official U.S. definition, though itâs not used in practice because this would make the United States a leading terrorist state.
SHALOM: And then there are tough cases about whether low-level government officials count as innocent civilians.
CHOMSKY: Thatâs true. Look, this isnât physics. There are no terms of political or social discussion that have clear definitions.
ACHCAR: No. On the fringes, it becomes a legal matter. Then you have to discuss it case by case. It gets to the courts.
CHOMSKY: Even in the hard sciences, there werenât clear definitions until the sciences became advanced. Even in mathematics: terms like âlimit,â for example. Definitions donât come until much later. So what you really want isnât to find a sharp definition but to identify a concept. And this oneâs easily identifiable; itâs just not acceptable. Because if you agree to this characterization, itâs going to turn out that the acts of the powerful fall under the definition of terrorism, and thatâs not allowed.
ACHCAR: And then we might add to the definition the same distinction that you get in an International Relations 101 course, regarding the âactorsâ: the distinction between governmental, intergovernmental, and nongovernmental actors. The same distinction, the same categories, can be applied to terrorism. There is nongovernmental terrorism, which has been very prominent in the news these last few years, and there is governmental terrorism, and also intergovernmental terrorism, when you have NATO or such intergovernmental institutions conducting acts that we understand from our definition of terrorism to be terroristic. And the U.S. government itself cannot reject the idea that there is such a thing as governmental terrorism since it accuses many other states of being terroristic.
CHOMSKY: There have been efforts to restrict terrorism to subnational groups, but that runs against policy, because, exactly as you say, then you canât label certain states as terrorist. But then youâre back to the same dilemmaâ how do you exclude yourself? (ACHCAR: Right.)
The Terrorist Threat
SHALOM: Is there actually a terrorist threat to Europe or the United States, or is that all concoction?
CHOMSKY: No, thereâs a very serious threat. In fact, the threat is being escalated, consciously. It didnât start on 9/11. If you go through the 1990sâfirst of all, there was an attempt to blow up the World Trade Center in 1993, which came pretty close to succeeding; with a little better planningâI think you, Gilbert, wrote this in your Clash of Barbarisms10âit would have killed tens of thousands. Then they were going to blow up the tunnels and the UN building, the FBI buildings, and so on. They were stopped just in time. They were essentially jihadis, trained by the United States in Afghanistan, led by an Egyptian cleric who was brought into the United States under CIA protection. That was a serious act of terror.
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