Prelude . . . 1 . . .
May 21, 1954
Honorable Mayor W. A. Gayle
City Hall
Montgomery, Alabama
Dear Sir:
The Womenâs Political Council is very grateful to you and the City Commissioners for the hearing you allowed our representative during the month of March, 1954, when the âcity-bus-fare-increase caseâ was being reviewed. There were several things the Council asked for:
1. A city law that would make it possible for Negroes to sit from back toward front, and whites from front toward back until all the seats are taken.
2. That Negroes not be asked or forced to pay fare at front and go to the rear of the bus to enter.
3. That busses stop at every corner in residential sections occupied by Negroes as they do in communities where whites reside.
We are happy to report that busses have begun stopping at more corners now in some sections where Negroes live than previously. However, the same practices in seating and boarding the bus continue.
Mayor Gayle, three-fourths of the riders of these public conveyances are Negroes. If Negroes did not patronize them, they could not possibly operate.
More and more of our people are already arranging with neighbors and friends to ride to keep from being insulted and humiliated by bus drivers.
There has been talk from twenty-five or more local organizations of planning a city-wide boycott of busses. We, sir, do not feel that forceful measures are necessary in bargaining for a convenience which is right for all bus passengers. We, the Council, believe that when this matter has been put before you and the Commissioners, that agreeable terms can be met in a quiet and unostensible manner to the satisfaction of all concerned.
Many of our Southern cities in neighboring states have practiced the policies we seek without incident whatsoever. Atlanta, Macon and Savannah in Georgia have done this for years. Even Mobile, in our own state, does this and all the passengers are satisfied.
Please consider this plea, and if possible, act favorably upon it, for even now plans are being made to ride less, or not at all, on our busses. We do not want this.
Respectfully yours,
The Womenâs Political Council
Jo Ann Robinson, President
MCDA-AMC.
1 âASU Student Left Buses before Parksâ, Montgomery Advertiser, December 1, 1995; editorâs interview with Richard Nelson, December 4,1995, Montgomery, Ala.
Thelma Glass, having been duly sworn, was examined and testified as follows:
DEFENSE LAWYER: State your name to the Court.
THELMA GLASS: Thelma Williams Glass.
DEFENSE: Do you live in Montgomery?
GLASS: Yes, I do.
DEFENSE: How long have you lived in Montgomery?
GLASS: Since 1947. Just recently I have been working around the college at Montgomery.
DEFENSE: Are you a member of the Womenâs Political Council?
GLASS: I am.
DEFENSE: Do you know when that council was first organized?
GLASS: Yes, I do. The Womenâs Political Council was organized in the spring of 1949.
DEFENSE: For what purpose or purposes was this council organized?
GLASS: Well, maybe the best overall purpose, I could say, would be to promote good citizenship. We have maybe one or two specific activities we have always listed in our prospectus under citizenship.
DEFENSE: What are those activities?
GLASS: The Womenâs Political Council naturally is concerned with womenâs activities. In the first place, we enter into political and civic problems, particularly those relating to Negroes. In the second place, we encourage women to become registered voters, to pay poll tax and vote. In the third place, to enter those women in a better national government as a result. Most activities are proposed and designed to acquaint women with current problems.
DEFENSE: As a member of this group, have they had any connection with the Montgomery bus situation?
GLASS: Well, that is one of our specific problems, particularly as relating to Negroes, and one of our current civic problems. Problems relating to the busses have recently been part of our program.
DEFENSE: What were some of those problems your group has considered?
PROSECUTOR: We object to what the group considered, what it did or didnât.
JUDGE: If it has to do with busses it would be admissible. What they considered wouldnât be.
DEFENSE: What particular problem has your organization taken up with the bus company, if any?
GLASS: We have been trying for the past six years, we have had various committees from the Womenâs Political Council who have made appeals to the City Commissioners. The things particularly that we had asked forâmaybe there are four specific things as I can remember that we did send committees to ask for specifically.
DEFENSE: What are those things?
GLASS: Well, the very first thing we objected to mainly was Negroes have had to stand over empty seats.
PROSECUTOR: We object.
JUDGE: Testify to what you took up with the City Commission, what you told them. That would be admissible.
DEFENSE: Had this group had a meeting with the City officials of Montgomery?
GLASS: Oh, yes, sir, it has numerous meetings.
DEFENSE: You have called on the bus company?
GLASS: We have.
DEFENSE: Will you tell the court what happened?
PROSECUTOR: We object to that unless it is shown the time, the date it happened and where.
GLASS: In November, 1953, a committee from the Womenâs Political Council actually asked for seven specific things, I think. Not all pertaining to the busses, but I can tell you about six of the things.
PROSECUTOR: We object to anything unless it pertains to the busses.
JUDGE: Objection sustained.
GLASS: Negroes had to stand over empty seats when no whites were riding; requesting them not to occupy those seats where they are unoccupied; Negroes pay fares at the front door, get off and go to the rear door to board the bus; when fares are paid at the front passengers should get on at the front; there is a danger of a passenger being struck without the driver knowing it; and there have been instances where persons have paid their fares and the bus has driven off and left them standing; busses stop in sections occupied by white at every corner, but in sections occupied by Negroes they stop at every other block; since all pay the same fare the busses should stop at every corner in all communities. Those are the specific things that this committee asked for in November of 1953 that deal with busses.
DEFENSE: Have you had any other meetings with the City Commissioners on the bus situation?
GLASS: On the bus situation we have.
DEFENSE: Do you remember the dates?
GLASS: This meeting in March of 1954, the Womenâs Political Council, along with a large labor group, the Federation of Womenâs Clubs, the Citizensâ Steering Committee, the Progressive Democrats, along with representatives of the Womenâs Political Council.
DEFENSE: Did you attend this particular meeting?
GLASS: This particular meeting in March, 1954, I did.
PROSECUTOR: We move to strike all that testimony.
JUDGE: If you were not there you wouldnât know what happened, you couldnât testify to that. Where you were present, you could.
DEFENSE: Will you testify as to what happened at this particular meeting in 1954?
GLASS: Well, we went before the Commission with a full program we later on developed with a re-statement of some of the same things the committee had worked on in November of 1953.
DEFENSE: Was that the Montgomery City Commission?
GLASS: That is the Montgomery City Commission. The usual seating arrangement, people were still complaining of standing over empty seats; let Negroes board the busses at the front where they paid their fares; many had been left on the sidewalk after paying their fares; busses should stop at every corner; people had to walk, and they had a right complaining, and names and dates, and names of busses, the bus lines, and specific experiences with Negroes, were turned over to the Commission from people who complained against the bus company. [. . .]
Georgia Gilmore: having been duly sworn, was examined and testified as follows: [. . .]
DEFENSE: How long have you been a resident of the City of Montgomery?
GEORGIA GILMORE: I donât know how long. I came here in 1920.
DEFENSE: During the time you have resided in the City of Montgomery, have you had opportunity to ride the busses owned by the Montgomery Bus Line?
GILMORE: Yes, sir, I have. At that time I did all my riding on the busses. They were my sole transportation because I didnât own any car or motor vehicle whatsoever.
DEFENSE: I believe you stated you did all your riding?
GILMORE: Did all my riding.
DEFENSE: When did you stop riding the busses?
GILMORE: October of 1955.
DEFENSE: For what purpose did you cease riding the busses?
GILMORE: The last of October, 1955, on a Friday afternoon between the hours of three and five oâclock I was on the corner of Court and Montgomery Street, and I usually rode Oak Park or South Jackson busses for both of them came up to that corner. This particular Oak Park bus came up to the corner. I donât know the driverâs name. I would know him if I saw him. He is tall and has red skin. This bus driver is tall, hair red, and has freckles, and wears glasses. He is a very nasty bus driver. This particular time the bus was pretty near full of colored people, only two white people on the bus. I put my money in the cash box and then he told me to get off. He shouted I had to get on in back. I told him I was alr...