1 NIETZSCHEâS LISP
âWhy shouldnât people be frightened by this music?â The question comes by way of The Tomorrow Show host Tom Snyder late on a cold February night in 1981, long after most of Johnny Carsonâs viewers had drifted off to sleep. It is the latest in what has been a string of patronizing and superficial queries that included âDo you hear your own voice when youâre singing back there?â and âIf you toned it down a little bit maybe youâd have more fansâdo you think about that at all?â He is marking time, Snyder, picking lint from his coat and looking for a way of filling space until the next advertising break. Bored by his own interview with Iggy Pop, and apparently having learned little from his disastrous conversation with John Lydon and Keith Levene of Public Image Ltd six months earlier, the interviewer is trying if not to provoke then at least to amuse the jittery and sometimes jumbled guest opposite him who had only minutes earlier performed âDog Foodâ and âT.V. Eyeâ for an in-studio audience. As his disinterested line of questions suggests, Snyder has come to regard Popâstill bleeding after butting himself in the face with an NBC microphoneâas a freak, a numbskull, certainly not someone to be taken seriously or engaged intellectually. The interview had been beset by fits and starts to that point, with, as a result, awkward moments that even had Snyder held his interlocutor in more esteem would likely have emerged naturally from the juxtaposition of the well-heeled patriarch of late-late television and the shoot-from-the-hip former Stooge who explained comfortably only seconds before this latest question that his effort to tax his own flesh with broken glass during a 1973 performance was an attempt to express a certain existential principle: âthe truth of that moment was that I ought to be cut.â
Snyder, frowning now, is nonplussed; he is tired of the guestâs incoherence and lack of professionalism. âI was talking to your chick who works for you the other day ⌠is this mic working?â Pop had mumbled in between sips of water as a shrill voice in the audience orders Pop, âTake off your clothes!â Trying to rein things in, Snyder presses on, refusing to let his initial question die a natural death: âJust as some people were very terrified of rock and roll when it started, and then they got terrified of the Beatles, there are some people who get scared by any new trend in musicââ he continues before being cut off.
âOkay, fair enough,â admits Pop finally, ignoring Snyderâs suggestion that punk was somehow new in 1981. âOne terror is that if you played music like the way I do, okay, obviously, already, if I put as much into a song as I possibly can on your show, automatically for five, ten minutes, it is very hard for me to speak articulately or to talk to youââ
âYouâre pumped up back there,â Snyder offers, nodding in feigned understanding.
âYou see, because Iâve quite given myself totally to that,â Pop says soberly, gesturing to the stage behind him. Then, grinning like a little boy about to voice a dirty word, Pop returns his gaze to Snyder and after a pause almost whispers, âItâs Dionysiac.â
Snyderâs posture, his entire carriage, shifts at the sound. âYou know the difference between Dionysiac and Apollonian art?â Pop asks his host quickly, sensing immediately the freeze the question brings into the studio. Snyderâs own smile, as if through a certain sublimation, evaporates: this is not Lydon smoking and smirking but nonetheless deferring to Snyderâs leadâSnyder has himself become the object of his own program. Snyder is disoriented by Popâs query, his heretofore smug regard for his guest replaced by an expression of confusion. Silence. He sits up a bit straighter, searching for a reply.
The lag lasts only a moment, but in the profound void that follows Popâs question to a respected news reporter and anchorman, who, knowing instantly that he has been duped (again), can only manage a meek, âIâm not too good on that,â everyoneâinterviewer, interviewee, studio audience, television viewerârecognizes instantly the transference that has occurred in the room.
Without hesitating longer, Pop, simultaneously trying to save his host from too much embarrassment and recognizing that he has cleared the ground completely, launches into a discourse on Friedrich Nietzscheâs 1872 foray into dramaturgy, The Birth of Tragedy. The broken-toothed, scrawny punk, astute enough to know just how narrow is the opening in this window, drives the discourse forward, now lecturing the television man: âDionysiac art in Greek times was where, like, a bunch of people would get together and theyâd erect a paper phallus 50 feet long and carry it around and chant to some god they believed in, right?â Snyder is getting visibly nervous, uncertain of where this is all going. He has no reply save a subtle âmmhmmm.â Pop advances with confidence, returning finally to the question that began the interview. âYou know ⌠the creation of an eventâitâs eventful art. Apollonian is when you just make a statue and itâs there forever and itâs set out very clearly. Thereâs a Dionysiac element to my art that does ⌠I suppose a lot of people might be frightened to be me. But Iâm quite happy to be me.â
In a space of ninety seconds, Iggy Pop, the self-debasing, skittish, and bloodied former Stoogeâwho made a name for himself by crawling about a stage singing, âI Wanna Be Your Dogâ and coating himself in peanut butter on stageâhas swept away all frivolity, all the trite commercial pandering typical of late-night television and pop schlock that even at the height of early punk dominated the airwaves, and replaced it with dramatic theory, with philosophy. On NBC. Perhaps even more stunned than was Bill Grundy when the Sex Pistols unleashed âthe filth and the furyâ on Thames TV in 1977, Snyder, confounded as to how to continue when his guest failed to act like the crude monkey he was expected to be, has little recourse but to move on quickly, to search for a way of keeping things lightââAll right. In the world of music, who are your favorites?â
Although Pop entertains the question, citing Sun Ra, Cab Calloway, and Howlinâ Wolf, his answer is irrelevant. The point has been made: to misjudge punkâs intellectual ceiling, to dismiss it as mindless violence and atonal noise, is a precarious, and potentially fatal, move. That a conversation on continental philosophy and the phallus as a signifierâon Nietzsche as the basis for an international pop subcultureâis so disarming to a member of the elite and advanced not by an academic, politician, or establishment critic but a punk rocker, is an astounding commentary on the sad state of pop music, broadcast journalism, and American culture broadly in 1981. This Snyder and his advertisers learned the hard way, with cameras rolling.
Perhaps even more remarkable, however, is the fact that Pop, in 1981, was but the latest in a long line of punks to have made direct reference to Nietzsche since the 1970s. âI like philosophers on a literary level rather thanâlike Nietzscheâheâs got flair!â So enthused the Dickies singer Leonard Graves Phillips two years in advance of Popâs interview. âSure he contradicts himself all the time but ⌠I always got the impression that Nietzsche was a real Quasimodo virgin guyâin the daytime heâd, âUh, hi, how are you, I-Iâm really a ni-nice guy,â but at night heâd go into his room and Wham: THE MASTER RACE! THE SUPER MAN!â1
âWestern values mean nothing to her,â crooned Mark Stewart of the Pop Group through a red kerchief a year after Phillips in âShe Is Beyond Good and Evil,â a disjointed single that unfolds like a Nietzschean wet dream and anticipates the groupâs later single âWhere Thereâs a Will Thereâs a Way,â in referencing the philosopherâs most polemic work. Not to be outdone, Germs singer Darby Crash confessed to having filled countless notebooks with homespun poetry, prose, and philosophy in high school. âI [still] work on some philosophy stuff. Just Scientology and Nietzsche like Thus Spake Zarathustra and The Prince by Machiavelli.â2
Or, as Richard Hell had put it to Punk magazineâs Legs McNeil years before Germs, the Pop Group, or the Dickies had pulled themselves together, âDid you ever read Nietzsche?â McNeil only laughs. âLegs, listen to me, he said that anything that makes you laugh, anything thatâs funny indicates an emotion thatâs died. Every time you laugh thatâs an emotion, a serious emotion, that doesnât exist with you anymore ⌠and thatâthatâs why I think you and everything else is so funny.â âYeah, I do too, but thatâs not funny,â responds McNeil, stifling a laugh. âThatâs âcause you donât have any emotions,â Hell shoots back, sending both young men, barely out of their teens, into a fit of hysterical guffawing.3
Nietzsche notwithstanding, punksâ interest in philosophy, Snyder would have been shocked to learn, runs the gamut from aesthetics to phenomenology to epistemology, as Eugene HĂźtz implies when he sings in gypsy-punk band Gogol Bordelloâs drunken âStart Wearing Purpleâ that âI know it all from Dio-gee-neez to the Foucault.â Or consider that almost lost in the very fine print that typified Search & Destroy is that San Francisco group Screamers directs readers, in a 1978 interview, not only to Susan Sontag and Basil Bernstein but to Foucaultâs Madness and Civilization.4 Building on Screamersâ ostensible poststructuralism, English postpunks Scritti Politti demonstrate their reading of not only Jacques Derrida but French psychoanalyst Jacques Lacan over several singles in songs such as âThe Sweetest Girlâ and âThe Word Girl.â Ian Curtisâs widow Deborah likewise documents in her memoir Touching from a Distance, the former Joy Division singer obsessed over numerous philosophers, particularly Nietzsche and Sartre.5
Further east, Slovenian industrial-postpunk group Laibach lent a blurb to the back of Slavoj Ĺ˝iĹžekâs sophomore English title For They Know Not What They Do two years in advance of the philosopherâs public defense of the group against charges of fascism. Finally, American postpunk June Panic made an effort to bring each of these disparate threads together in 2003, telling Punk Planet magazine, âIâm reading a guy called Ĺ˝iĹžek. I guess youâd call him a Marxist-Lacanian philosopher. The main guy I constantly go back to is Wittgenstein. I read a lot of Heidegger tooâI actually wrote a song for him that will be on my new album. Iâm reading some essays by T. S. Eliot, Emerson, a lot of Thoreau and stuff like that.â6
As such examples suggest, punks and postpunks have, across time and place, taken philosophy quite seriously. Even Stewart Home, the writer and founder of the band White Colours, who rejects the intellectual qualities of punk with venom in Cranked Up Really High, concedes that he âspends his time pursuing an interest in Hegelian philosophyâ and references by name Marx, Freud, Lacan, Derrida, and Deleuze in his novel Cunt.7 So does it come as no surprise that a handful of writersâacademic and notâhave explored the question of whether or not there is an identifiable âpunk philosophy.â In 1999, anarchist imprint AK Press officially published Craig OâHaraâs widely circulated pamphlet originally penned in 1992, The Philosophy of Punk: More Than Noise. Dealing mostly with the historical context and definition of punk, OâHaraâs book, many readers noticed, uses âphilosophyâ loosely as metonymy for âway of life,â failing to make a single reference to political, continental, analytic, or postmodern philosophy and exploring instead punkâs connections to anarchism, veganism, and the mass media.8 The same critique can be made of Lars Kristiansenâs Screaming for Change: Articulating a Unifying Philosophy of Punk Rock. Despite his assertion that âpunk should be understood as a way of seeing the world, as a way of reasoning, or, essentially, as a philosophy on its own terms,â Kristiansen brushes aside all questions of ontology, political economy, and ethics to focus primarily on punk rhetoric.9 Finally, in 2014 Situation Press published The Truth of Revolution, Brother, an interview collection that brought together many of punkâs leading voices to discuss their personal philosophies of Being, aesthetics, and politics. It is ironic, then, that although the bookâs subtitle is âan exploration of punk philosophy,â like its predecessors Truth shies away from actually defining or discussing philosophy proper, or any thinkers-writers dead or alive, in any detail. Although the bookâs editors argue that âpunk brought to life some profound philosophical ideas that largely remained parked on the pages of worthy tomes,â these ideas and the tomes from which they emerged are almost nowhere mentioned in the book.10
Although one can imagine, in each of the above titles, bibliographies ripe with texts by Hegel, Arendt, and Foucault, Kropotkin, Sartre, and Heidegger, Chomsky, Kant, and Judith Butler, no such citations emerge in any of themâsave a handful of throwaway references to Nietzsche and a vaguely defined âexistentialismâ in each. This absence accounts for these booksâ bitter aftertaste for readers expecting punk thoughts on the love of wisdom: in ignoring speculative philosophy of the more customary variety these books ignore the fact that many, many punks are often demonstrablyâsycophanticallyâinterested in the thinkers cited above, in philosophy as a tradition.
Arguing that punksâ actual reading of philosophy forms the basis for what might be called the âpunk philosophy,â this chapter posits that one cannot articulate a sensible punk philosophy in the absence of understanding the philosophers punks and postpunks have internalized and espoused, the philosophy that heralds punk music and aesthetics. For in identifying the works of philosophy punks have cited in their lyrics, in interviews, on album covers, and from stage, in cataloguing the variegated philosophies punks tend to exploit (if not endorse) in the practice of their art, a pattern emerges: continental rather than analytical philosophy tends to be valorized; the philosophers most often cited were at one time, and at times still are, those marginalizedâif not dismissed outrightâwithin much of academic philosophy; and with Iggy leading the way, punks often craft an aesthetic out of their reading of philosophy, even when the texts in question have little to do with aesthetics. For example, on Scritti Polittiâs Lacan-referencing âWood Beez,â Green Gartside, playing the role of analyst, transfers Derridaâs diffĂŠrance, the infinite delay in signification implicit to language, to the pop love song, singing, âIâm a would be / W.O.O.D. / Iâm a would be would be / B.E.E.Z.,â making of language a plaything and musing on his conjectural proposals for future being, each of which morphs into frustratingly indefinite deferrals of signification, unfulfilled desires that like a swarm of buzzing insects drive the speaker mad. Out of this particular reading, the punk philosophy that comes to be embodied by punks and their descendants is less a nonconformist philosophy of deviance, as Kristiansen puts it, than a celebratory and often self-flagellating valorization of punksâ chronic alienation, mortification, and s...