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Use Ancient Wisdom to revitalise your life! Do you ever get the feeling that something went wrong? What with credit crunches, wars, congestion charges, and unemployment, it is natural to hark back to less complicated times. In this witty and inspiring book, Mark Vernon does just that. However, we are not talking about the 1980s - try 400BC! Filled with timeless insight into life, relationships, work and partying, "Plato's Podcasts" takes a sideways glance at modern living and presents the would-be thoughts of Ancient Philosophers on various topics central to our 21st century existence. From Plato on pod casts to Epicurus on bottled water, this is a funny but profound take on what life means today (and two thousand years ago).
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Ancient & Classical PhilosophyCHAPTER 1

Pythagoras and the search for meaning
Human beings are meaning-seeking creatures. We attach value to people, things and places like a shopkeeper who knows the price of every product in the shop. Significance is central to living. Without it the human animal dies. We cannot tell whether a whale finds the song of its fellows beautiful, or if the bee perceives the exquisite nature of the flower as it buzzes in. We immediately sense both. Itâs part and parcel of our being in the world. Meaning is basic. Without it, there would be little point in proceeding any further with our guide.
And yet, much in modern life calls that search for meaning into question, even mocks it. Are we just the playthings of selfish genes? Is love no more than a rush of hormones to the head? Are the patterns and order we detect in the cosmos just illusions, a purposefulness that we read into nature that is not objectively there? That they may be a trick of appearance is sometimes referred to as the disenchantment of the world. Nietzsche spotted this loss of value when, at the turn of the twentieth century, he declared the death of God. He did not literally mean that a divinity had died, for he did not believe that any divinity previously existed. Rather, he said, we have âunchained this earth from its sunâ; we are now âstraying as through an infinite nothingâ; life feels as if it has become âcolderâ.
Something of the same melancholia was in the air at the birth of ancient philosophy. The sophist Protagoras summed it up when he declared that he could not be sure the gods exist and so man himself must be the âmeasure of thingsâ, if things were still to be thought valuable. Alternatively the playwright Euripides puts the following prayer into the mouth of Hecuba, in The Women of Troy: âZeus, whoever thou art, upholding the earth, throned above the earth, whether human intelligence or natural law, mysterious and unknown âŠâ. Replace âZeusâ with âGodâ and that could be the prayer of a modern agnostic.
Others, such as Plato, objected. Life has meaning because life is indeed meaningful, they insisted. The very fact of our existence in the world is amazing, or at least it is for most people. But can that be shown or proven? For that, Plato and others turned to someone who had lived before them all. This individual and his followers had argued that science itself is a meaning-revealing exercise. In fact, the purer the science, the more potent its insights â which is why they loved maths. The individual was called Pythagoras.
Of all the strange things that are remembered about ancient philosophers, none are weirder than those associated with Pythagoras. He is a man of mystery, indeed a man of pure myth, some scholars have said â but then scholars are in the doubting business. For example, his inner thigh was said to be made of gold. Rivers were heard speaking to him. He reportedly had a photographic memory, and could recall the details of everything that had ever happened to him in this life â and in past lives too, for he believed in the transmigration of souls. This retention was a gift from the god Hermes.
Talking of retention, he was remarkably anal about food. Red mullet was a particular loathing, along with eggs. He advised that one should only have sex in winter, and never in summer. And yet, if you wanted to follow him, such abstinence would have been the least of your worries. First, potential disciples had to keep silent for five years. Then, they had to listen to his discourses without actually seeing him: like a bat, he only came out at night.
Travelling to the Ionian island of Samos today, the birthplace of Pythagoras, you would not think to doubt his historical existence. The main town is called Pythagorio. Greeting visitors on the jetty is an inspiring, geometric statue of the (presumably) sixth-century BCE philosopher, mathematician and musician. It reflects the theorem to which the name of Pythagoras is given, the sageâs hand reaching to the top corner of a triangle, thereby completing the three sides. On the coppery base are quotations celebrating the harmony of the universe, also known as the music of the spheres.

Figure 3 Pythagoras as a symbol for Arithmetic, from Palazzo Ducale in Venice (Photo: Giovanni DallâOrto)
Once one of the wealthiest islands in the Aegean Sea, and close to the Asia Minor mainland that is modern day Turkey, the story goes that the youthful Pythagoras travelled around the Mediterranean â âjourneying amongst the Chaldeans and Magi,â as Diogenes Laertius puts it â and found his way to Egypt, land of the sun god Ra. Here he discovered a mix of mysticism and geometry, as supremely symbolised in the Great Pyramids of Giza. It was to fascinate him for the rest of his life. He came to believe that orbs and circles are the most beautiful objects, and that the earth and heavens must be spherical too, not cylindrical or flat as was also proposed at the time. He came to believe that even numbers can be thought of as female, rounded, warm; and that odd numbers are male, angular, anomalous. It sounds mad until you notice that odd numbers are indeed often quite âoddâ, as in âpeculiarâ. For example, all the prime numbers, bar 2, are odd, and prime numbers â those numbers that are only divisible by themselves and the unity one â are peculiar indeed.
At some point, he returned to Samos, only to flee to Croton in Italy when he discovered that the island had been seized by the tyrant Polycrates during his absence. In Croton, he founded a community that became known for its strict dietary laws, dedication to mathematics and mystical contemplation of the cosmos.
That there was a real Pythagoras, now lost in time, might actually be supported by the very myths that accrued to him. Consider once again the fixation with food. Beans are a constant feature of these fables, prompting the question: why beans? He is said to have objected to them for practical reasons, namely as a cause of flatulence; for aesthetic reasons, because they look like testicles; for theological reasons, because they are like the gate of Hades â the ancient Greek underworld that Pythagoras was said to have visited; for political reasons, because beans are used in elections and elections lead to oligarchies; and for medical reasons, because they âpartake most of the breath of lifeâ. What a wonderful euphemism for breaking wind.
Beans were the undoing of Pythagoras too. According to one account of his end, he was in a house meeting with his followers, when one Cylo, a local autocrat whom Pythagoras had slighted, set fire to the building. Pythagorasâ disciples were nothing if not loyal, perhaps as a result of the hurdles they had to leap during their training to be his followers. They formed a protective barrier for their master, badly burning themselves. He escaped. Almost free, he reached a field in which beans were growing. This he refused to cross. As a result, Cyloâs thugs caught up with him, cut his throat and left him to die. Maybe an obsession with pods and seeds, written in blood, is the most reliable fact we have about him.
Whatever the history, it is clear is that the figure of Pythagoras became an object of fascination for many different groups of people. The ancient Romans celebrated him as a philosopher and claimed him as their own, because he had lived on Italian soil. The aesthetic-loving souls of the Renaissance associated him with the personified Musica because he supposedly discovered the link between music and mathematical intervals whilst fiddling around on a monochord: if you halve the length of a string, the note, when plucked, rises by the perfect interval of an octave.
The Pythagoreans thought that mathematics was a necessary step towards unpeeling mere appearances, towards seeing the value of things. In its symmetries and patterns, calculus conveyed deep truths about reality. Numbers are in some way transcendent: one plus one would equal two regardless of whether we existed or not, or even whether the universe existed. Hence, it was said that when Pythagoras discovered his famous theorem, it seemed obvious to find an altar and sacrifice an ox. A window onto the world of the gods had been granted to humanity. He had seen something of the meaning of things.
Plato himself did much to keep alive the Pythagorean idea that mathematics lies at the basis of everything we can know about the universe. In one of his most Pythagorean moments, writing the dialogue Timaeus, Plato averred:
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The vision of the day and night and of months and circling years has created the art of number. It has given us not only the notion of time, but also the means of studying the nature of the universe, from which has emerged all philosophy in all its ranges.
In Platoâs Republic, mathematics is described as kindling an organ in the soul that is worth a thousand ânormal eyesâ because it is a deeper way of seeing the truth. It clarifies things. The ancient mathematician might be thought of as like a master carpenter: using mathematical tools â a setsquare and angle guide â to forge something of real beauty.
Such arguments have provided an imaginative and long-lasting impetus in science. The astronomer Johannes Kepler referred to Pythagoras as âgrandfather of all Copernicansâ. Galileo believed that the entire universe âis written in the language of mathematicsâ. Bertrand Russell said that âMathematics, rightly viewed, possesses not only truth, but supreme beauty â a beauty cold and austere, like that of sculpture.â We are all Copernicans now. But are we all Pythagoreans too? Do we still believe that meaning can be founded upon mathematics â even for those of us who realised at school that maths was not their mĂ©tier â and by analogy, extended to other parts of life?
Most contemporary mathematicians, for example, when they prove a theorem, go to the pub to sink a pint, not to the temple to sacrifice an ox. And yet, the Pythagorean vision of mathematics has never quite died. If the sales of books popularising mathematics are anything to go by, then the beauty of mathematics is still compelling. One of the authors of those books, Marcus du Sautoy, the professor for the public understanding of science at Oxford University, said this: âI get my spiritual buzz out of the eternity of this [mathematical] world.â What did he mean? Well, consider this.
Itâs a question that most physicists must whisper to themselves from time to time. It was famously posed by a Nobel Prize winning physicist, Eugene Wigner, in 1960, when he wrote an essay entitled âThe Unreasonable Effectiveness of Mathematics in the Natural Sciencesâ. He was asking why mathematics works at all, when it comes to describing what happens in the world. It is, when you think about it, quite remarkable that the green leaves on a tree grow like a fractal pattern or that the force of gravity, which holds the planets in their places, falls off in a strict proportion to distance. Add to that the sense shared by most mathematicians that mathematics is not created, it is discovered. Doing maths is like exploring a foreign country, one that spreads out before you to be charted and traversed. Wigner writes: âIt is ⊠a miracle that in spite of the baffling complexity of the world, certain regularities in the events could be discovered.â In his essay, he ponders what this âunreasonable effectivenessâ might mean.
The implication is that without understanding why and how the mathematics works, neo-Pythagoreans might be justified in concluding that qualities like order and beauty â the qualities associated with mathematics â are written through the fabric of the universe. Moreover, if mathematics is discovered, not created, then perhaps to do mathematics is to uncover these things as well.
Such considerations lead some believers to call on mathematics as evidence for the existence of God â or to put it in a more nuanced way, they say that the power of mathematics is exactly the kind of thing you would expect in a universe created by an ordered and beautiful deity. The philosopher Leibniz wrote: âWhen God calculates and thinks things through, the world is made.â For the theist, the belief is that human beings can apprehend Godâs âthinking throughâ by doing maths. The physicist Michel Heller, who is also a priest, writes in his book, The Comprehensible Universe:
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In the human brain, the worldâs structure has reached its focal point: the structure of the world has acquired the ability to reflect upon itself ⊠In this conceptual setting, science appears as a collective effort of the Human Mind to reach the Mind of God ⊠The Mind of Man and the Mind of God are strangely interwoven.
That is the thought of a neo-Pythagorean. It reaches back to the mystic from Samos. However, it is surely a fallacy to take mathematics as proof for the existence of God. For one thing, it is a big leap to go from the metaphysics of mathematics to the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. Mathematics is not personal. And no-one would suggest you worship mathematics, for all that it may inspire awe.
In fact, the Pythagorean suggestion to us is more subtle. There is a power in mathematics that is intimately linked to qualities that provide human beings with their sense of meaning. And yet, the nature of that power remains something of a mystery. People are perfectly within reason to conclude that it doesnât say much about the existence of God at all. After all, one plus one equals two not because some god says so, but because it does. The mathematician John von Neumann put it this way: âIn mathematics you donât understand things. You just get used to them.â Alternatively, the biologist Richard Dawkins, a compelling advocate of atheism to many, finds no less cause to wonder at the order of things: âThe complexity of living organisms is matched by the elegant efficiency of their apparent design.â He argues that nature itself finds a way of climbing what he has called âmount improbableâ, and it is no less remarkable for that.
Exactly what you make of mathematics is probably a question of your personal faith, or lack of it. The puzzle of Wignerâs miracle, and Pythagorean geometry is, in a way, the same: at the end of the day, we donât know why there are laws, why mathematics works or why we can discover much about the universe at all. But the point is that we can. Moreover, there is something beautiful about it. The intuition that the world is a meaningful place for we humans is right. The figure of Pythagoras reminds us that science, far from undermining that sensibility, can in fact underpin it.
CHAPTER 2

Sappho and the art of paying attention
If human beings are meaning-seeking creatures, there is another quality, related to it, which is important to highlight early on in our return to the ancients. In a word, it is this: curiosity. For if truly to believe that the world is a meaningless place is to commit yourself to an empty and pointless existence, then to lose all curiosity about life is to put quite a damper on it too. A sad world-weariness would be the result. More positively, to be curious about things is to cultivate a zest for life. The historian G.M. Trevelyan once remarked that intellectual curiosity is âthe life-blood of real civilisationâ. Or you might note that questioning is close to questing, and questing, in turn, makes for a sense of purpose.
But curiosity is a virtue that can ...
Table of contents
- Cover
- Title
- Copyright
- Contents
- Acknowledgements
- Illustrations
- Introduction
- 1 Pythagoras and the search for meaning
- 2 Sappho and the art of paying attention
- 3 Plato and a love of conversation
- 4 Diogenes the Cynic on the deceptiveness of fame
- 5 Diotima of Mantinea on sometimes not having sex
- 6 Aristotle on surviving unpopularity
- 7 Pyrrho of Elis on suspending disbelief
- 8 Epicurus on why less is more
- 9 Zeno of Citium on the psychology of shopping
- 10 Aristippus the Cyrenaic and a common misunderstanding about pleasure
- 11 Onesicritus hears the call to live more simply
- 12 Cleanthes the Water-Carrier on working so hard you miss what you want
- 13 Hipparchia of Maroneia on marrying for love
- 14 Bion of Borysthenes and the wisdom of changing your mind
- 15 Menippus of Gadara on the seriousness of laughing
- 16 Marcus Manilius on the exercise of free will
- 17 Secundus the Silent on the dangers of travel
- 18 Sextus Empiricus and the folly of food fads
- 19 Hypatia of Alexandria on living in times of violence
- 20 Socrates and being towards death
- Index