William Eggleston Symposium
Morning Panel
Moderator: Lisa Howorth
Panelists: Megan Abbott, Maude Schuyler Clay, and William Ferris
Robert Saarnio: This symposium was financially underwritten by both Friends of the Museum and the University of Mississippi Lecture Series and would not have happened without that support. The exhibition itself entailed a thirty-month collaboration among Museum staff, including collections manager Marti Funke, and two essential partners, guest curator Megan Abbott and consulting advisor Maude Schuyler Clay. Suffice it to say that without Meganâs brilliant curating, Maudeâs invaluable contributions, and Martiâs coordinating efforts, this exhibition would not have been accomplished at the distinguished level that you see in our galleries.
We must also express profound gratitude to William Ferris, whose gifts of these Eggleston prints to the Museumâs permanent collection made everything ultimately possible. Bill traveled from Chapel Hill to be with us today, serving as both panelist and moderator. We are indebted to this remarkable scholar, friend, and supporter. Please join me in extending the very warm round of applause to our great friend. Our panelist speakers today have traveled from the Delta, New Orleans, New York, Memphis, Chapel Hill, and across campus; and we are deeply grateful to each of them.
They will be introduced by their panel moderators, but we want to express unequivocally how proud and honored the entire Museum community is to be joined today by Bill Ferris, Megan Abbott, Maude Schuyler Clay, Lisa Howorth, Emily Neff, Richard McCabe, and Kris Belden-Adams. Thank you all so very much for the privilege of your participation and your expertise. It is now my distinct pleasure to introduce the moderator of our first panel this morning, author, art historian, and friend to everyone in this room, Lisa Howorth.
A native of Washington, DC, Lisa has lived in Oxford since 1972. She and her husband, Richard Howorth, founded Square Books in 1979 and later opened an annex store, Off Square Books, and Square Books Junior, a childrenâs store. After earning an MS in library science and an MA in art history, Lisa was a reference librarian and an associate professor of art and Southern Studies at the University of Mississippi. She has edited four books, contributed to magazines and other publications, written the novel Flying Shoes, and is at work on a new novel. Please join me in thanking and welcoming Lisa Howorth.
Lisa Howorth: Thank you. Thanks to everybody involved. Itâs my pleasure to be part of this symposium, and Iâm grateful to be invited. Let me go ahead and introduce the panel.
Miss Megan Abbott is the award-winning author of nine novels as well as a nonfiction book, The Street Was Mine: White Masculinity in Hardboiled Fiction and Film Noir. Sheâs also the editor of A Hell of a Woman, an anthology of female crime fiction, and has written for the New York Times, Salon, and other publications. After receiving a PhD in literature from New York University, she taught at NYU, the State University of New York, the New School, and the University of Mississippi, where she was Grisham Writer in Residence in 2013â2014. Much of her writing is inspired by William Egglestonâs photography. We miss her, and weâre glad to get her back here any way we can. I also want to add this, just in: sheâs a 2016 Edgar Award Nominee for Best Short Story with âLittle Men.â Thatâs another feather in her cap, and weâre so glad sheâs here.
Miss Maude Schuyler Clay was born in Greenwood, Mississippi, where her family has lived for five generations. Thatâs saying something, isnât it? After attending the University of Mississippi and the Memphis Academy of Arts, she was an intern for her cousin, photographer William Eggleston. She then moved to New York City, where she worked at Light Gallery and was the photography editor and photographer for Esquire, Fortune, Vanity Fair, and other publications. After returning to the Mississippi Delta in the late 1980s, she continued her color portrait work and began a series of black-and-white photographs. The University Press of Mississippi published her monographs Delta Land and Delta Dogs, and Steidl published her book of color portraits Mississippi History with a foreword by Richard Ford. Sheâs received five awards for her photography from the Mississippi Institute of Arts and Letters and was the 2015 recipient of the Governorâs Award for Excellence in Visual Art. And, another tidbit of breaking news, her show at the Ogden Museum in New Orleans just opened to packed SRO crowds. Weâre very excited and proud of Maude for that.
Okay then, the big dog, William Ferris, is Joel R. Williams Eminent Professor of History at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill and adjunct professor in the Curriculum in Folklore. He is senior associate director at the Center for Study of the American South and a former chairman of the National Endowment for the Humanities. Prior to his role at NEH, Ferris served as director of the Center for the Study of Southern Culture at the University of Mississippi, where he was a faculty member for eighteen years. Wow. Amazing. Time flies when youâre having a good time, right? We did. Ferris has written or edited ten books, created fifteen documentary films, and coedited the award-winning Encyclopedia of Southern Culture. His last three books provide an extraordinary trilogy of his documentation of life in the South through nearly six decades of photographs and interviews. I also want to add that Billyâs entire family is one of artists, art supporters, educators, and writers. Theyâre kind of a Mississippi treasure trove, and what the hell Billâs doing up there with all those Yankees, I do not know. Itâs a travesty, right? I hope someday to be asked to be on a panel about Bill Ferris, because I know some stuff. It would be a good panel. I guess thatâs all I have to say.
Megan Abbott: Before we start talking, Robert and Marti asked me to tell about my role in this rather miraculous exhibition. We first started talking about it in 2013; and I want to thank Robert, Marti, and the Museum for this incredible opportunity to play a small part in the exhibition that was a major undertaking for them. I thank Robert for engaging and shepherding me and Marti for all the stunning work she did in putting the exhibition together. For those of you who saw it last night or have seen it before, it feels like a whole new experience being in those rooms.
This morning we will talk about William Eggleston with those who know him and have stories and insight. I come as an outsider. His work has meant so much to me; and, like countless others, I was drawn to his photographs long before I even knew his name. I only know how the pictures made me feel, the kind of uncanny spell they put me underâfirst as a teenager and later as an aspiring writer yearning for transport. Looking for a cheat.
I think I thought, and I still think this: âMaybe if I look at that photo long enough, the back of the womanâs head, her finely tended coiffure, a story will surface for me. I will know what I want to tell.â Somehow for me, as for countless other writers, and filmmakers, and artists, it did work. It absolutely did. The photograph was there, and the spell was enchanted.
Iâm fairly sure the first Eggleston I saw was the first color photo he ever made: the famous one of the grocery store clerk, his hair oddly lustrous, his mouth slightly open, pushing a hard, glittery tangle of shopping carts into the store. His palms are pressed just so. At the time, I didnât know about Egglestonâs place in the history of photography, the breakthrough of color photography, the way heâs been positioned often rather narrowly as a âSouthernâ photographer, a âregionalâ one, a photographer of the weird. All I knew was, when I looked at that photo, I saw a world I knew, part of the world I lived in: Krogerâs and fluorescent lights and bright shiny wrappers, and the hard and soft faces of strangers and intimates. And part of the world that I experienced from the inside out: fevered, heavy, mysterious, loaded, beautiful. All the things I think we feel when we look at one of his photos.
Then itâs no surprise that Eggleston is and always has been a catnip for writers, artists, storytellers of all kinds, from David Lynch, which is how I first discovered him, through Gus Van Sant to Sofia Coppola, and Harmony Korine. I suppose itâs a clichĂ© to say that when you look at Egglestonâs photos, they seem to tell a story. I donât think thatâs true. Theyâre not narrative images like we might see in, say, Robert Capa or Dorothea Lange. Egglestonâs photos donât connect dots for us. They donât assert or announce. They donât tell at all. But maybe itâs more precise to say that when you look at them, you make the story.
Stories, after all, have a beginning, a middle, and an end. We can see all three parts in a photo in an instant in some photos: a young boy of privilege, left alone, a toy grenade in his hand, to reference the famous Diane Arbus photo. Itâs all right there in the picture. With Eggleston, itâs different. The photographs donât offer three acts, or even a first act. Instead, the photographs seem to come from the intense, hot middle of something. We are dropped in, immersed, sunk deep.
Eggleston has talked about trying to âcreep upâ on his subjects, and the photographs have that feeling. We encounter these jagged Eggleston worlds just before or just after something perilous or ecstatic has happened. Or both, but what? This brings me to the name of the show, which comes from an Albert Einstein quotation: âThe most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious.â Of course, the mystery lurks in every busy or barren corner of an Eggleston photograph. That mystery can feel like pathos: the man at the gas station gazing longingly at the liquor store sign glimmering darkly on the horizon. The mystery can feel like menace: the eerie eye-windows of a darkened church door. It can feel like a lot of things at once: the sweep of terrible history, as we might see in the white Winn-Dixie sign with its comic and tragic faces looming above.
Egglestonâs photos encourage the pathetic fallacyâwhich Iâve never thought of as pathetic at allâan old term we learned in high school English about attributing human emotions to things or objects: a lonely window, a lusty pair of headlights. Egglestonâs photos are so shot through, so infused with mood, with feeling, that they demand the pathetic fallacy. I have always felt, as critic Malcolm Jones writes, that Eggleston âaddresses the meanest objects with unstuttering love.â Consider the objects in this show: A lonely pink patio chair, squat and hopeful. A uniform starched on a clothesline, insistent and formal. A dishcloth with holes like eyes. The cluttered front seat of a car, white feathers dangling glamorously from the rearview mirror, promising a world more refined than the plastic McDonaldâs cup thatâs also there, or the brown paper bag thatâs shot through with light. The soulful gaze of a young man with a twin-scoop ice cream cone, seemingly change in hand. Even to describe these photos in sparest terms is to begin a story, but the story is ours. And it begins with feeling, trying to untangle the feeling we feel without knowing why weâre feeling it: loneliness, the expectation, the wonder and longing.
This image of the young man with the ice cream cone drew me so closely the first time I saw it with Marti and Robert in the Museum. For me, it seemed to recall a lost frame from The Last Picture Show, the movie. Every time I look at it, I feel more story and more feeling. Heâs well groomed, dressed for a date who never arrived or arrived with someone else. Itâs my guess that he has change in his hand. Itâs my guess he looks deep in thought. I had this speculation that the twin scoop of the cone bespeaks somethingâa love lost or never won, a yearning, an aching disappointment. Does the change in his hand come from buying the cone, or is he about to play a sad, sad song on the jukebox we see in another photograph from the show, gleaming and machinelike and substantial? That change he carries as if it were Roman coins, heavy and substantial. Or maybe heâs carrying them lightly, maybe he has not a trouble in the world and the stitch in the brow I think I see is really a mere matter of âDo I pick Sam the Sham or Jr. Walker & the All Stars?â Callow youth! Why am I assuming thereâs money in his hand? Maybe heâs snapping his fingers. Maybe. Maybe, maybe.
See how quickly we get lost, subsumed into a narrative waist-high? I was talking with Phil Boyle last night (heâs in the audience), and he said, âThatâs the most sinister photo in the exhibition.â Then suddenly I looked at it and thought, âMaybe it is. Maybe this is like Dick and Harry. I donât know.â At any rate, the story that springs from the photograph could never be the young manâs story, nor Egglestonâs or his magical cameraâs. The story is ours. The feeling is oursâspurred, sparked, inflamed by what we see here, the spell cast. âHow democratic,â as Eggleston himself might say.
I saw a 1990 interview where Eggleston says about Elvis Presley, âHe fits the hole that there never was a hero for.â The journalists point out that Eggleston could just as easily have been talking about himself. He fits that hole that there never was a hero for. Thereâs something in these photographs we need without ever knowing why. âThe most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious,â says Einstein. âIt is the source of all true art and science. He to whom this emotion is a stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand wrapped in awe, is as good as deadâhis eyes are closed.â1 These photos open our eyes. They drive the blood. They kind of ransack the heart. They bring us to the center of something. We feel them. We canât stop looking. We look again. We close our eyes and still see them. Weâre forever seeing them.
So maybe itâll happen for you today. A photo youâve seen before perhaps or wondered at or thought you know. Or, more likely, one youâre seeing for the first time. Youâll look at it, youâll wonder, imagine something, remember something; and by the time you leave, itâll be a part of you, and it likely always was. Maybe, then, itâs not we who might come to understand these photographs, but they whoâve always understood us, speaking to places deep inside. Years ago, Eggleston told an interviewer, âI would love to photograph dreams.â Maybe he has.
Lisa Howorth: Okay. Weâre lucky to have Megan to do that lovely introduction to the whole topic. This panel feels weird, I realize, because Bill Dunlap isnât here! I donât think Iâve ever been to a panel in this room where it wasnât the Dunlap show. Somethingâs wrong. Anyway, itâd be fun if he were here. Which I think Iâve been referring to as the Egg Bowl.
Since weâve got two Williams or Bills, the Ferris one is Billy, and I may refer to Eggleston as Bill or Egg in case you get confused because thatâs what some people might do anyway, just to avoid confusion. Hereâs our charge: âThis panel presents a unique opportunity to approach William Eggleston from the perspective of those who have known him personally over an extended time and from those whose work has been significantly influenced by his images.â Thatâs what weâre going to try to stick to, and other things will be discussed during the afternoon session. I will ask each of our panelists a question, or just throw something out, and theyâll have maybe ten minutes to answer, and Iâll go around again so each panelist will have roughly two questions. Weâll see what happens. Maybe at the end weâll have time for a Q&A or maybe some Eggleston anecdotes. Iâm sure there are plenty of those out there.
First let me say about myself that my credentials for being on the panel are Iâm old enough to have known Bill for about thirty years, which is saying quite a lot. He was coming to Oxford frequently when Richard and I a...