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Saggi letterariINTERVIEW WITH NEW YORK STATE
This interview took place in December 2007, on the Upper East Side of Manhattan, near the homes of Mayor Mike Bloomberg and then-governor Eliot Spitzer.
NEW YORK STATEâS PUBLICIST: I am so, so sorry! Everything is late this morning, our former president dropped in unexpectedly, as he often does, and our dear little state can never seem to say no to Bill! But I promise you youâll get your full half hour with her, even if it means rebooking the entire afternoon. Youâre lovely to be so patient with us.
JF: We said an hour, though.
NEW YORK STATEâS PUBLICIST: Yes. Yes.
JF: Nine oâclock to ten oâclock is what I wrote down here.
NEW YORK STATEâS PUBLICIST: Yes. And this is for a, uh, travel guide?
JF: Anthology. The fifty states. Which I really donât think she wants to end up being the shortest chapter of.
NEW YORK STATEâS PUBLICIST: Right, although, ha ha, sheâs also the busiest of the fifty, so there may be a certain logic to keeping things brief. If what youâre telling me now is that sheâs just going to be part of some fifty-state cattle call ⊠I didnât quite realize âŠ
JF: Iâm pretty sure I saidâ
NEW YORK STATEâS PUBLICIST: And it definitely has to be fifty. Thereâs no way it could be, like, five? A Top Five States of the Union kind of thing? Or even a Top Ten? Iâm just thinking, you know, to clear out some of the small fry. Or maybe, if you absolutely have to have all fifty, then maybe do it as an appendix? Like: Here are the Top Ten Most Important States, and then here, at the back, in the appendix, are some other states that, you know, exist. Is that conceivably an option?
JF: Sadly, no. But maybe we should reschedule for some other day. When sheâs not so busy.
NEW YORK STATEâS PUBLICIST: Frankly, Jon, every day is like this. It just gets worse and worse. And since I am promising you your full half hour with her today, I think youâd be well advised to take it. However, I do see your point about lengthâassuming you really are determined to include the small fry. And what I would therefore love to do is show you some amazing new pictures that sheâs been having taken of herself. Itâs a program she set up with one of her foundations. Twenty of the worldâs top art photographers are creating some of the most intimate glimpses that anybody has ever had of an American state. Really different, really special. I donât want to tell you how to do your job. But if I were you? Iâd be thinking about twenty-four pages of unique, world-class photography, followed by an intensely personal little interview in which our nationâs greatest state reveals her greatest secret passion. Which is ⊠the arts! I mean, that is New York State. Because, yes, obviously, sheâs beautiful, sheâs rich, sheâs powerful, sheâs glamorous, she knows everybody, sheâs had the most amazing life journey. But in her secret innermost soul? Itâs all about the arts.
JF: Wow. Thank you. That would beâthank you! The only problem is Iâm not sure the format and the paper of this book are going to be right for photographs.
NEW YORK STATEâS PUBLICIST: Jon, like I said, Iâm not trying to tell you how to do your job. But unless you can think of a way to fit the proverbial thousand words on a single page, thereâs a lot to be said for pictures.
JF: Youâre absolutely right. And I will check with Ecco Press andâ
NEW YORK STATEâS PUBLICIST: Who, what? Echo what?
JF: Ecco Press. Theyâre publishing the book?
NEW YORK STATEâS PUBLICIST: Oh dear. Your book is being published by a small press?
JF: No, no, theyâre an imprint of HarperCollins. Which is a big press.
NEW YORK STATEâS PUBLICIST: Oh, so HarperCollins, then.
JF: Yes. Big, big press.
NEW YORK STATEâs PUBLICIST: Because, God, you had me worried for a minute.
JF: No, no, huge press. One of the biggest in the world.
NEW YORK STATEâS PUBLICIST: Then let me just go check and see how things are going. In fact, you might as well have your sitdown with Mr. Van Gander now, if you want to follow me back this way. Just, yes, good, bring your bag. This way ⊠Rick? Do you have a minute to talk to our, uh. Our âliterary writerâ?
NEW YORK STATEâS PERSONAL ATTORNEY: Sure! Super! Come in, come in, come in! Hello! Rick Van Gander! Hello! Great to meet you! Big fan of your work! Howâs life in Brooklyn treating you? You live out in Brooklyn, donât you?
JF: No, Manhattan. I did live in Queens once, a long time ago.
NEW YORK STATEâS PERSONAL ATTORNEY: Huh! How about that? I thought all you literary types were out in Brooklyn these days. All the really hip ones at any rate. Are you trying to tell me youâre not hip? Actually, now that you mention it, you donât look very hip. I beg your pardon! I read something in the Times about all the great writers living out in Brooklyn. I just naturally assumed âŠ
JF: Itâs a very beautiful old borough.
NEW YORK STATEâS PERSONAL ATTORNEY: Yes, and wonderful for the arts. My wife and I try to get out to the Brooklyn Academy of Music as often as we can. We saw a play performed entirely in Swedish there not long ago. Bit of a surprise for me, I admit, not being a Swedish speaker. But we enjoyed ourselves very much. Not your typical Manhattan evening, thatâs for sure! But, now, tell me, what can I do for you today?
JF: I donât actually know. I didnât realize I was going to talk to you. I thought I was supposed to have an interview with the Stateâ
NEW YORK STATEâS PERSONAL ATTORNEY: Thatâs it! There you go! Thatâs why youâre talking to me! What I can do for you today is vet your interview questions.
JF: Vet them? Are you kidding?
NEW YORK STATEâS PERSONAL ATTORNEY: Do I look like Iâm kidding?
JF: No, itâs just, Iâm a little stunned. It used to be so easy to see her. And just, you know, hang out, and talk.
NEW YORK STATEâS PERSONAL ATTORNEY: Sure, sure, I hear you. Everything used to be easy. Used to be easy to buy crack on the corner of Hundredth and Columbus, too! Used to be easy to pave the bottom of the Hudson River with PCBs and heavy metals. Easy to clear-cut the Adirondacks and watch the rivers choke on topsoil. Rip the heart out of the Bronx and ram an expressway through there. Run sweatshops on lower Broadway with slave Asian labor. Get a rent-controlled apartment so cheap you didnât have to do anything all day except write abusive letters to your landlord. Everything used to be so easy! But eventually a state grows up, starts taking better care of herself, if you know what I mean. Which is what I am here to help her do.
JF: I guess I donât see how having been open and available and exciting and romantic to a kid from the Midwest is equivalent to having let the Hudson River be polluted.
NEW YORK STATEâS PERSONAL ATTORNEY: Youâre saying you fell in love with her.
JF: Yes! And I had the feeling she loved me, too. Like she was waiting for people like me to come to her. Like she needed us.
NEW YORK STATEâS PERSONAL ATTORNEY: Hmm. When was this?
JF: Late seventies, early eighties.
NEW YORK STATEâS PERSONAL ATTORNEY: Good Lord. Just as I feared. Those were some wild and crazy years, all right. She was not altogether of sound mind. And you would do her a great kindnessâdo yourself a big favor, too, incidentallyâif you would avoid mentioning that entire period to her.
JF: But those are precisely the years I wanted to talk to her about.
NEW YORK STATEâS PERSONAL ATTORNEY: And that is why Iâm here to vet your questions! Believe me, you will not find her friendly on the subject. Even now, every once in a while, somebody gets it in his head to print some more pictures of her from those decades. Usually itâs maliciousâyouâre always going to find a couple of disgusting paparazzi outside the rehab clinic, waiting for their shot of somebody infinitely classier than they are, at a single regrettable moment in her otherwise brilliant life. But thatâs not the worst of it. Whatâs unbelievable are the guys who honestly believe she looked better back then, because she was so easy. Think theyâre doing her some kind of favor by showing her dirty as hell, spilling out every which way, spaced out of her mind, mega hygiene issues, not a dime in her purse. Crime, garbage, crap architecture, shuttered mill towns, bankrupt railroads, Love Canal, Son of Sam, riots at Attica, hippies in a muddy farm field: I canât tell you how many deadbeats and failed artists walk in here all smitten and nostalgic and thinking they know the ârealâ New York State. And then complaining about how sheâs not the same anymore. Whichâdamn right sheâs not! And a good thing it is! Just imagine,...